Demon Hunter Permutation Test - Version 1.0

Mormont

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Greetings fellow Demon Hunters!

This article has been in the works for almost a week now, and has forced me to spend many hours in front of the Ironfroge raiding training dummy. However, I believe the work has been quite worth it, as it will show at least from my experiences how many of the havoc Demon Hunter talents are preforming in combination with other talents and abilities

There are currently two prominent builds for the havoc Demon Hunter, though this can change in an instance, and has been fiercely debated by many playing the class on beta; these are the pure MOMENTUM build (MOMENTUM, the level 100 talent PREPARED, and typically the 110 talent DEMONIC combined), and the CHAOS BLADES/NEMESIS build. However, I also want to test out two hybrid builds, that will include the usage of NEMESIS/DEMONIC and MOMENTUM/CHAOS BLADE. What this article is going to therefore explore is the DPS calculations of each of these builds, as well as the DPS difference when factoring in other talents such as FELBLADE, BLOODLET, BLIND FURY, and FEL MASTERY.


A picture of the Havoc Demon Hunter talent rows, as a frame of reference if need be.

In order to make sure the results from my end were perfectly fair for each permutation of the aforementioned builds and supporting talents, I applied the same conditions for each test. I spent a full five minutes for each permutation (allowing me to go through the METAMORPHSIS cycle twice for every combination), and did so on the same type of dummy.

Disclaimer: It’s quite possible that I may have pressed the wrong button once in a blue-moon that may have altered the final DPS outcome by a very slight number, but I am merely trying to get each combination in the appropriate DPS ballpark it currently rests in. Moreover, tuning will most likely occur, so these numbers will most likely change in the future, hence why this is only the first of a bi-weekly/major update version of this guide.

Talents/Abilities to know with shortened label (if applicable):

CHAOS STRIKE (CS) – Our main fury spender. Slice your target for (305% + 487%) Chaos damage. Critical strikes refund 20 Fury.

DEMON’S BITE (DB) – Our main fury generator. Quickly attack for 305% Physical damage. Generates 20 to 30 Fury.

ANNHILATION (ANH) – It’s what our CS turns into during METAMORPHOSIS. Slice your target for (396% + 633%) Chaos damage. Critical strikes refund 20 Fury.

FELBLADE (FB) – A level 102 talent. Charge to your target and deal 560% Fire damage. Demon's Bite has a chance to reset the cooldown of Felblade.

EYE BEAM (EB) - Blasts all enemies directly in front of you for ((60.7% of Attack power) * 9) Chaos damage. Eye Beam always critically strikes. It has a 45 second cooldown and is an integral CD to our rotation.

FEL RUSH (FR) - Rush forward, incinerating anything in your path for (294% of Attack power) Chaos damage. It has two charges and a ten second recharge.

THROW GLAIVE (TG) - Throw a demonic glaive at the target, dealing 490% Physical damage. The glaive can ricochet to 2 additional enemies within 10 yards. It has a ten second recharge and has one charge.

FEL MASTERY (FM) – A level 99 talent. Increases Fel Rush damage by 50%, and grants 25 Fury when Fel Rush damages at least one target.

BLIND FURY (BF) – A level 99 talent. Increases the duration of Eye Beam by 50%.

BLOODLET (BL) – A level 102 talent. Throw Glaive causes targets to bleed for 200% of the damage inflicted over 10 sec. If this effect is reapplied, any remaining damage will be added to the new Bloodlet. This causes THROW GLAIVE to become a part of our rotation, instead of FELBLADE.

MOMENTUM – A level 106 talent. Fel Rush and Vengeful Retreat increase your damage done by 20% for 4 sec.

NEMESIS – A level 106 talent. Increases damage you inflict against the target by 15% for 1 min. When the target is slain, you will inflict 15% additional damage against all creature types matching the original target (Humanoid, Dragonkin, etc.) for the remaining duration.

CHAOS BLADE (CB) – A level 110 talent. Increases all damage done by 8% (based on Mastery) for 12 sec. While active, your auto attack deals 200% increased damage, and causes Chaos damage. This would typically be stacked with NEMESIS on cooldown, and can be used again as it resets after using METAMORPHOSIS thanks to the 108 talent DEMON REBORN.

DEMONIC – A level 110 talent. Eye Beam causes you to enter your demon form for 5 seconds after it finished dealing damage.

Attack – Our auto-attack.


Permutation #1- FEL MASTERY, PREPARED, FELBLADE, SOUL RENDING, MOMENTUM, DEMON REBORN, DEMONIC:

Burst DPS: 150K

Sustained DPS: 112.5K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS - 8.3M - 26.3%

ANH - 4.9M – 15.6%

DB – 4.8M – 15.2%

Attack – 2.59M – 8%

EB – 2.46M – 7.8%

FR – 1.97M – 6.2%

FB – 1.76M – 5.6%



Permutation #2 – BLIND FURY, “ “

Burst DPS: 153K

Sustained DPS: 115K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 7.85M – 22.4%

ANH – 6.47M – 18.5%

DB – 5.18M – 14.8%

EB – 3.85M – 11%

Attack – 2.6M – 7.5%

FB – 2.55M – 7.3%

FR – 1.15M – 3.3%


Permutation #3 – FEL MASTERY, BLOODLET, “ “

Burst DPS: 152.K

Sustained DPS: 119K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 7.8M – 21.6%

ANH – 6.42M – 17.7%

DB – 5.14M – 14.1%

BL – 3.08M – 8.5%

EB – 2.57M – 7.1%

Attack – 2.41M – 6.6%

FR – 2.23M – 6.1%

TG – 1.54M – 4.2%


Permutation #4 – BLIND FURY, “ “

Burst DPS: 150K

Sustained DPS: 121.1K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 7.73M – 20.9%

DB – 5.4M – 14.6%

ANH – 5.07M – 13.7%

BL – 3.68M – 10%

EB – 3.55M – 9.1%

Attack – 2.29M – 6.2%

FR – 1.95M – 5.3%

TG – 1.85M – 5.1%


Pure MOMENTUM build conclusion:

Top Burst DPS: Permutation #2

Top Sustained DPS: Permutation #4

Average Burst DPS: 151.3K

Average Sustained DPS: 116.9K

Thoughts: The clear indicator from at least the pure MOMENTUM build thus far is that Bloodlet is the superior talent for 102 set, as it contributes to the two highest sustained DPS permutations in #3 and #4. Granted, the highest burst permutation went to #2 (a FELBLADE combination), but that was only a slight burst increase compared to the larger gap in sustained DPS that permutations #3 and #4 (BLOODLET permuations) share over number two. So while I am not quite ready to affirm without question that BLIND FURY Is better than FEL MASTERY or vice versa, I am confident in saying for at least the MOMENTUM build that BLOODLET is the top 102 talent.


Permutation #5 – FEL MASTERY, PREPARED, FELBLADE, SOUL RENDING, NEMESIS, DEMON REBORN, CHAOS BLADE:

Burst DPS: 162K

Sustained DPS: 123.4K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 11.57M - 30%

DB – 4.7M - 12.2%

ANH – 4.37M - 11.3%

CB – 3.4M – 8.8%

FB – 3.37M - 8.7%

EB – 2.83M - 7.3%

Attack – 2.29M - 5.9%

FR – 1.23M - 3.2%


Permutation #6 – BLIND FURY, “ “

Burst DPS: 182K

Sustained DPS: 124K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 11.82M – 30.7%

EB – 4.35M – 11.3%

DB – 4.18 – 10.9%

ANH – 3.26M – 8.5%

CB – 3.21M – 8.3%

FB – 2.79M – 7.3%

Attack – 2.2M – 5.7%

FR – 1.42M - 3.7%


Permutation #7 – FEL MASTERY, BLOODLET, “ “

Burst DPS: 157K

Sustained DPS: 126.1K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 10.92M – 27.1%

DB – 4.71M – 11.7%

BL – 4.28 – 10.6%

CB – 3.35M - 8.8%

ANH – 3.37M – 8.4%

EB – 2.53M – 6.3%

Attack – 2.3M - 5.7%

FR – 2.29M – 5.7%

TG – 2.14M – 5.3%


Permutation #8 – BLIND FURY, “ “

Burst DPS: 191.K

Sustained DPS: 129.1K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 10.53M – 25.9%

DB – 5.39M – 13.2%

EB – 4.24M – 10.4%

BL – 4.23M – 10.4%

ANH – 3.74M – 9.2%

CB – 3.08M – 7.6%

TG – 2.1M – 5.2%

Attack – 1.95M – 4.9%

FR – 1.44M – 3.5%


CHAOS BLADE/NEMESIS build conclusion:

Top Burst DPS: Permutation #8

Top Sustained DPS: Permutation #8

Average Burst DPS: 173K

Average Sustained DPS: 125.6K

Thoughts: The clear indicator from at least the CHAOS BLADE/NEMESIS build is that it contains far more burst ability than the pure MOMENTUM build (151.3K average versus 173K), BLOODLET accounts for the best sustained DPS in this build compared to FELBLADE (as the two highest sustained DPS permutations in this build are #7 and #8), and that CHAOS BLADE/NEMESIS paired with BLIND FURY accounts for the best burst DPS (as evidenced by permutations #6 and #8). Moreover, once again BLOODLET proves to be the superior level 102 talent, which is inching me closer to conclude that it’s simply a better talent overall than FELBLADE. I’m not willing to state BLIND FURY is absolutely better than FEL MASTERY overall yet, but it certainly is the better burst talent with it accounting for three of the top four highest burst permutations yet (#2, #6, and #8).
 
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Mormont

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Permutation #9 – FEL MASTERY, PREPARED, FELBLADE, SOUL RENDING, NEMESIS, DEMON REBORN, DEMONIC.

Burst DPS: 131K

Sustained DPS: 117K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 8.64M – 25.4%

ANH – 6.58M – 19.3%

DB – 4.05M – 11.9%

FB - 3.04M – 8.9%

Attack – 2.78M – 8.2%

EB – 2.61M – 7.7%

FR – 2.10M – 6.1%


Permutation #10 – BLIND FURY, “ “

Burst DPS: 134K

Sustained DPS: 113K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 8.87M – 25%

ANH – 7.52M – 21.2%

DB – 5.31M – 15%

EB – 3.74M – 10.5%

Attack – 2.9M – 8.2%

FB – 2.6M – 7.3%

FR – 866.6K – 2.4%


Permutation #11 – FEL MASTERY, BLOODLET, “ “

Burst DPS: 134K

Sustained DPS: 121K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS- 8.4M – 22.7%

ANH – 5.96M – 16.1%

DB – 5.71M – 15.4%

BL – 4.01M – 10.9%

Attack – 2.77M – 7.5%

EB – 2.68M – 7.3%

TG – 2.01M – 5.4%

FR – 1.88M – 5.1%


Permutation #12 – BLIND FURY, “ “

Burst DPS: 146K

Sustained DPS: 128K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 7.68M – 18.9%

ANH – 7.44M – 18.3%

DB – 5.82M – 14.3%

BL – 4.02M – 9.9%

EB – 3.95M – 9.7%

Attack – 2.77M – 6.8%

TG – 2.01M – 4.9%

FR – 1.43M – 3.5%


NEMESIS/DEMONIC build conclusion:

Top Burst DPS: Permutation #12

Top Sustained DPS: Permutation #12

Average Burst DPS: 136K

Average Sustained DPS: 119.7K

Thoughts: Once again, the combination of BLOODLET and BLIND FURY prove to be the strongest level 99 and 102 combo, as it possessed the highest burst and sustained DPS (permutation #12). Moreover, the combination of NEMESIS/DEMONIC has significant issues with its burst damage, as the average burst DPS of this build is about 15K less than the pure MOMENTUM build, and approximately 27K less than the CHAOS BLADE/NEMESIS build. It does add better sustained DPS than the pure MOMENTUM build by almost 3K, but that gap is far less significant than its massive deficiency in burst DPS.


Permutation #13 - FEL MASTERY, PREPARED, FELBLADE, SOUL RENDING, MOMENTUM, DEMON REBORN, CHAOS BLADE:

Burst DPS: 149K

Sustained DPS: 111K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 10.2M – 28.1%

DB – 4.63M – 12.8%

FB – 3.28M – 9.1%

ANH – 3.12M – 8.6%

CB – 3.05M – 8.4%

EB – 2.62M – 7.2%

FR – 2.35M – 6.5%

Attack – 2.25M – 6.2%


Permutation #14 – BLIND FURY, “ “

Burst DPS: 164K

Sustained DPS: 115K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 10.36M – 28.4%

DB – 4.48M – 12.3%

EB – 3.64M – 10%

ANH – 3.3M – 9.1%

FB – 2.89M – 7.9%

CB – 2.8M – 7.7%

Attack – 2.28M – 6.2%

FR – 1.84M – 5%


Permutation #15 – FEL MASTERY, BLOODLET, “ “

Burst DPS:

Sustained DPS: 121K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 12.53M – 31%

DB – 4.98M – 12.3%

ANH – 4.43M – 6.9%

BL – 3.17M – 7.8%

CB – 2.89M – 7.1%

EB – 2.7M – 6.7%

FR – 2.67M – 6.6%

Attack – 2.17M – 5.4%

TG – 1.58M – 3.9%


Permutation #16 – BLIND FURY, “ “

Burst DPS: 151K

Sustained DPS: 118.2K

Top abilities accounting for DPS with percentage:

CS – 11.47M – 28%

DB – 6.07M – 14.8%

BL – 3.54M – 8.6%

EB – 3.48M – 8.5%

ANH – 2.97M – 7.2%

CB – 2.74M – 6.7%

Attack – 2.46M – 6%

TG – 1.77M – 4.3%

FR – 1.52M – 3.7%


MOMENTUM/CHAOS BLADE build conclusion:

Top Burst DPS: Permutation #14

Top Sustained DPS: Permutation #15

Average Burst DPS: 154.75K

Average Sustained DPS: 116.3K

Thoughts: This build compared to the pure MOMENTUM build is very similar when the average burst and sustained DPS is compared. However, the MOMENTUM/CHAOS BLADE build possesses approximately 2.5K more sustained DPS. This leads me to believe that MOMENTUM is better off combined with CHAOS BLADE as opposed to DEMONIC, as it can provide a nice increase in sustained DPS. Moreover, this build has auto-attack doing the least amount of percentage damage compared to any of the other three builds, which shows abilities get to be used more often here than the others. Finally, with this final build analyzed, it is now confirmed that the highest permutations for each section (#2, #8, #12, and #14) each have BLIND FURY as the level 99 talent choice.


Final conclusions:

The best burst build currently seems to be the CHAOS BLADE/NEMESIS build, with permutation #8 (which had BLIND FURY AND BLOODLET) having the highest BURST DPS of ANY permutation with a 191.K burst DPS.

The best sustained DPS build is once again the CHAOS BLADE/NEMESIS build, with permutation #8 once again having the best sustained DPS at 129.1K (though permutation #12 gave it a run for its money with a sustained DPS of 128K).

NEMESIS on its own without CHAOS BLADE (as it was combined with DEMONIC) does significantly worse than CHAOS BLADE on its own (it was combined with MOMENTUM) on burst DPS (around an 18K loss), but it does more sustained DPS by around 2.5K; these results were to be expected, considering NEMESIS is a sustained DPS increase for one minutes every two minutes.

All permutations using BLOODLET (#3, #4, #7, #8, #11, #12, #15, and #16) led their respective build sections in sustained DPS, which makes it quite evident that it’s the better sustained DPS talent for the level 102 row. Moreover, BLOODLET preforms slightly better than FELBALDE in burst DPS, with the latter only able to really compete with BLOODLET when its matched with BLIND FURY, which has been shown to already be a large cause for the permutations it’s been a part of to have some of the highest burst DPS. I am therefore inclined to push for BLOODLET as being a superior talent all around than FELBLADE in the level 102 talent row.

BLIND FURY most certainly has a greater burst DPS increase than FEL MASTERY, as six out of the eight permutations it was involved in, it causes higher burst PDS than a permutation with FEL MASTERY chosen as the level 99 talent.